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Thanks for the heads up Dean, I know a few people who will very happy with  this announcement!

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20 hours ago, brett said:

In my opinion it is the best way to get your monies worth. ^_^:P

 

Indeed. Lots of great older stuff at deep discounts. The couple of newish models I was hoping for are not surprisingly not discounted. I won't be getting my Mooney's worth, at least not the Mooney Ovation i wanted in my stocking. The older M20J is a great older model and a great Mooney's worth...but I already have it. I'm looking at the Cessna 550 Citation jet...zooom zooom??? Maybe?

 

Edit to add: Ok, the M20R Ovation is an Alabeo licensed product...that probably explains it not having any "Carenado" discount, none of the Alabeo models are on sale at this time it appears...I'll keep my fingers crossed that Alabeo has a holiday sale too.

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I'm considering the B350i and the Piper Malibu Mirage. Does anyone know the extent of the problems* with either and whether there are any fixes? I know about the gear down light problem with the 350i and it's a no sale for me if there's no fix for it. I don't look for PMDG-level modelling, but what is modeled should work.

 

Note that I don't say "are there any?" :)

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2 hours ago, Tim_A said:

Opinion? PA-46 Malibu Mirage, or PA-46T Malibu? There can be only one . . . .

 

Tim,

 

There are actually three versions to choose from, two turboprop versions being the PA-46T Malibu JetPROP and the PA-46T 500TP Malibu Meridian, and the PA-46 Malibu Mirage 350P.

 

As the PA-46T 500TP Malibu Meridian is NOT ON SALE, I assume you are looking at either the PA-46T Malibu JetPROP or the PA-46 Malibu Mirage 350P.

 

The PA-46 Malibu Mirage 350P has traditional instrumentation whereas the PA-46T Malibu JetPROP has a Garmin G500 PFD / MFD. Performance wise, there is not as big an increase in speed in the turboprop as you might expect. I guess it gets down to what you are more comfortable with, piston vs turboprop and traditional avionics vs glass cockpit.

 

Cheers

Andrew

 

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Depends on your preference on with the avionics? I have the older Malibu and it's good but the Mirage is looking better IMO.

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Thanks all.

 

I'm specifically interested in the basic Mirage, but what I'm more interested in is the inevitable Carenado issues. 

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13 hours ago, Holdit said:

I'm considering the B350i and the Piper Malibu Mirage. Does anyone know the extent of the problems* with either and whether there are any fixes? I know about the gear down light problem with the 350i and it's a no sale for me if there's no fix for it. I don't look for PMDG-level modelling, but what is modeled should work.

 

Note that I don't say "are there any?" :)

 

Paul,

 

If you go to the AVSIM Carenado (UNOFFICIAL) Support Forum you will find a great deal of detailed (pessimistic) views on all the Carenado models, including the Beechcraft 350i. These seem to be written by real world pilots expecting a perfect flight sim add-on which matches the real world aircraft 100%, and nothing less. Reality is, the Carenado add-ons are a US$34.95 to US$39.95 (mostly) product for use on a flight simulator which is, at best, for entertainment purposes.

 

You will see contradicting posts on the AVSIM Forum regarding the 350i landing gear lights, and based on the contradicting posts, I am now not sure if it is a problem or not. I just checked my install of the 350i and the landing gear lights don't illuminate. I had never noticed this before as I have the Saitek Switch Panel and refer to it for the landing gear lights. I will say however, that I have experienced some issues of this type before with Carenado products, and after an uninstall and reinstall of the product, the problem is no longer there. This could explain the contradicting comments.

 

This might not help make up your mind, but then if you based your decisions on reading the AVSIM Carenado (UNOFFICIAL) Support Forums, you would never buy anything. Taking your comment, "...but what is modeled should work." literally, there are a great deal more systems modelled (visually) in Carenado models, and any other developer's products for that matter, i.e. circuit breakers, cabin heating, etc, which were never meant to work. On that basis you would not buy anything.

 

I guess it simply gets down to where you set your expectation levels. Personally, I think the expectation levels on the AVSIM Forums are off the scale for the price and level of reality in the flight sim we are dealing with.

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Expectation Levels are key with Carenado and Alabeo products I suspect. They Look like nearly if not The Best modeled and textured aircraft on the market, especially the interior attention to details imo... but their aircraft perform like any mid range payware addon in the same price range...that needs to be understood from the get go when you buy one. You get a competent (and sometimes buggy at first release) Simulation with Superb Artwork Textures attached to it the incredibly well modeled polygons.

If your immersion comes from systems complexity and realism a Carenado might not be for you...go with PMDG, A2A or the like. If your immersion is derived from stunning visuals and good to great sound quality in the VC and exterior views...well, that's the kind of simmer I am and my Carenado/Alabeos are always a joy to fly once I have fixed the Easter eggs in the aircraft.cfgs (...by that I meen bunny poo, not candy...little tiny aww-shits scattered here and there). They occasionally have typos in the contact sections, use metrics instead of standard in the weight and balance section, and even just get lazy and use 0,0,0 for all station loads instead of measuring out their actual locations...I repair that stuff and have no problems. I find these kind of things in other dev products in that price range as well...you gets what you pay for, but with Carenados you also get amazing visuals with your occasional bugs. 

For all the above I tend to agree with Andrew's reviews when he puts a Less than 10 points on the Value for Price for Carenados as their products are gradually increasing in price approaching A2A product costs, without A2A systems realism.

 

Cheers.

 

P.S. I have neither of the models you are interested in, but I do have their P46T Malibu Jetprop, which is probably the older foundation they worked from to build the newer Malibu...mine is great fun and I have noticed no bugs in it.

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Carenados have always been mid-range aircraft, workhorses for the one-click / ctrl-E simmer, with nice visuals. And as such they perform the role admirably. You don't expect a huge amount in the way of systems simulation, and you don't get it. I've been flying their planes since the FS9 PA28-235 Dakota and love em.

 

They've been shifting their prices towards the high end of late, although that hasn't come with any improvement in systems modelling. Something I see as a disappointment, and one of several reasons I now only buy in the sales.

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Hi guys and thanks for the further input. I may have given the wrong impression above. When I say what is modeled should work, I mean what the developer has designed to work, should work, not that everything that is visible should work. I have enough Carenado aircraft in my hangar alongside A2A, Milviz and RealAir GA aircraft to know what I can realistically expect from each developer.

 

Non-functioning circuit breakers are not an issue, because hardly anyone does them. Things like avionics that can be started up without the battery being on are irritating, but are something I can live with, as are other minor quirks and annoyances.  Some things, however, should go without saying and I would put functioning gear indicator lights in that category. Another example would be anything they have mentioned in the promotional blurb as being a feature. A case in point; the ADF in the Alabeo Tomahawk can't be tuned. They still haven't fixed it, despite saying they would. Otherwise their Tomahawk is a great little aircraft. I wrote a review on it for Aerosoft and I was surprised myself at how much good I had to say about it.   The developers said they would fix the issue, but they still haven't. There is a difference between quibbling about details and being dissatisfied with substandard quality control, and there is a point at which understandable lack of depth from a mid-range developer becomes sloppy QA. 

 

Please don't mistake this for an anti-Carabeo rant. I have real affection for some of their aircraft in my hangar, particularly the Mooney M20J, Cessna 152, Cessna 182Q and  their steam gauge King Air 90 and 200, and also the Navajo, which I have just picked up and is very nice. 

 

@Tim_A Agreed, and it's only at sale time that I buy their stuff too, but I still look out for mines :). The Navajo has always been a particular favourite of mine and the King Air even more so. The main reason I'm thinking about their King Air is that I fear our sun will have gone Red Giant before Milviz get around to releasing theirs, and dammit the Carenado ones look good.

 

@Andrew Godden Andrew, I hope I clarified the where I come from regarding expectations, and thanks for your comments about the King Air. Maybe I'll take a punt on it. 

 

@Captain Coffee Likewise regarding the Malibu.

 

Thanks again, gents.

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Paul,

 

I fully understand and realise some intent and detail is lost in the brevity of posts. As it was about 12.30 am (my time) when I made my post I didn’t have the chance to do a reinstall of the B350i. Let me do that and I’ll report back on the landing gear light issue. I will also have a look at the Alabeo Tomahawk too (maybe here I should admit to owning all the Alabeo and Carenado products, except some of the special Alabeo models, i.e. Gee Bee, etc.).

 

We all have our respective levels of what we are prepared to accept as reasonable or prepared to live with for the money we spend, but as I pointed out about the AVSIM Carenado (UNOFFICIAL) Forums I rarely see any level of reasonableness applied - just negativity based on finite comparisons to the real world aircraft and product bashing. I am prepared to admit some of it is justified but to the average flight simmer, most of them wouldn’t be aware, even if they did care.

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5 hours ago, Holdit said:

...A case in point; the ADF in the Alabeo Tomahawk can't be tuned. They still haven't fixed it, despite saying they would...

 

Paul,

 

OK, after a fresh download and reinstall of the Beechcraft 350i, there is still no joy on the landing gear condition lights.

 

As for the Tomahawk though, I will beg to differ. Without doing a reinstall, the ADF radio tuning is functional. Now, I will point out something here about the ADF radio on earlier Alabeo and Carenado models. In the earlier models, the tuning of the ADF radio did not use the tuning knobs on the right hand side as later models do, it is done by + / - click spots below each digit (except the thousands digit) of the Standby Frequency (to the right). These click spots can be small and finicky at low zoom levels, however, once the + / - click spot is highlighted, the mouse wheel will adjust the individual digits of the frequency up or down, press the Frequency Change button and the ADF gauge becomes active once in range of the NDB.

 

Here is a proof screenshot of the Tomahawk coming up abeam KDTS on my left. The co-located DTS NDB has a frequency of 254.0 KHz, set on the ADF radio, and, as you can see, the ADF gauge is active and pointing towards the DTS NDB.

 

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I have six of their aircraft and do enjoy flying them, they look good, fly by the numbers, have great cockpit lighting and Carenado/Abaleo have enough of a selection to meet everyone's needs.

 

What I have gleaned from the great folks here over time is that,

1. Carenado/Alabeo aircraft are getting too expensive for what you get and buying them on sale is your best buy unless you are a want/need it now simmer and aren't strapped.

2. Although Carenado provide fixes they are limited to quick fixes and any lasting faults will not be taken care of.

3. Their high end textures will sometimes cause a prohibitive drop in fps in mid-range computers.

4. The only good thing in the "Unofficial Support" forum is the couple of guys that provide fixes that Carenado never get around to.

5. If you have a problem with any developers aircraft you should talk to others because it might be Your problem and not Theirs.

5. Even above average simmers like to take a spin in a new shiny aircraft if they can get a good deal.:D 

 

I'm a big fan of A2A because they fit my simming needs for higher end simulations of aircraft, constantly update their products and have great support. They put all of that together for the average price of fifty bucks and that's why I think Carenado/Alabeo are too expensive right now.(A point reviewers can't take into consideration to be fair and impartial) 

 

Yet with all of that said I do enjoy just hopping into a decent and diverse aircraft to take a spin just for fun and that's where these mid-level sim aircraft come in, so if you asked this A2A sim snob if I would purchase a Careado/Alebeo aircraft in the future it would be a resounding yes but only when they are on sale for less than thirty bucks. I have enough aircraft in my hangar to keep me busy and am willing to wait for the price to drop. My :twocents:  

 

It has been correctly pointed out that I'm an idiot so feel free to correct.^_^ 

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14 minutes ago, brett said:

...and that's why I think Carenado/Alabeo are too expensive right now.(A point reviewers can't take into consideration to be fair and impartial) 

 

Excellent points all round Brett, but the above point confuses me in what you are trying to say.

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Well I figure reviewers to be fair take each product on it's own merit and don't compare them to other products except when it comes to viewing their price. I'm guessing if the product is taken money wise against all the like products out there the Carenado product would fair well in their price range but as a consumer I look at the fact that I paid fifty dollars for the A2A Comanche and all it does and the Carenado Cheyenne at forty dollars doesn't make sense to me.

 

As a reviewer Andrew, if you feel my statement wasn't correct or was out of context I would be happy to take it out after you show me the error of my ways.:)    

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42 minutes ago, brett said:

Well I figure reviewers to be fair take each product on it's own merit and don't compare them to other products except when it comes to viewing their price. I'm guessing if the product is taken money wise against all the like products out there the Carenado product would fair well in their price range but as a consumer I look at the fact that I paid fifty dollars for the A2A Comanche and all it does and the Carenado Cheyenne at forty dollars doesn't make sense to me.

 

 

I have to agree, particularly when combined with quality control that is at best dysfunctional - from the customer's point of view - suspect it works fine for Carabeo. 

 

@Andrew Godden Andrew, you are right. I've just checked and it does work that way. I re-downloaded mine recently so maybe they fixed it in the meantime, I'm sure it didn't do that before, and Bert Pieke (see Brett's point #4 :)) never mentioned it when he sent me a fix for it. 

 

That said, their aircraft look terrific, and at sale prices they aren't a bad buy. I weakened in the end and picked up the Malibu (350P) and B350i and I like them so far. Regarding the 350i gear lights, I can probably cannibalise some from another King Air and create a pop-up for that purpose. It only needs to be called up once per flight anyway...

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