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Malaysia Airlines 777-200ER Missing In Flight

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here is one for those that support the 9/11 conspiracy: from the BBC

 

"Then there are other conspiracy theories. Some forum postings have pointed to the US military base in the middle of the Indian Ocean, on the tropical atoll of Diego Garcia. The island is owned by the UK but leased to the US. One of the more extreme theories circulating online claims that the Kremlin believes that the US "captured" the plane and flew it to its base. With a conspiracy theory of this magnitude it is difficult even to know where to start with the rebuttals".

 

lets just say it was waylaid  by the pilots , lets just say that there is truth in that 4 of the 5 electronic boffins who did win patents on a cloaking device were part of the 20 on board , and the fifth works for an american super sinister company, the carlisle group this device was going to be owned by china, now with the 4 chinese out of the picture the 5th holds court.  ok lets say America  did arrange for the plane to be "hijacked" like the 3rd plane in 9/11, where do you go with it where you have total control of all around you and where there is no doubt a hangar big enough to hide the 777 while you dismantle it piece by piece and destroy it or dumped at sea where in weeks to come the fragments will be found floating, where no person can ever escape from, Diego Garcia fits hat bill pretty well , if I were china I would be asking to visit the base yesterday.

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Wormhole? :whis: (cue theme from The Twilight Zone) :D

 

This is one of the strangest occurrences in my lifetime. :huh: It amazes me that the full resources of the countries involved cannot find anything in this amount of time.

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I think we're going to find a human hand behind it. I just can't buy into an accident so selective it disables communications and/or incapacitates the crew and then leaves the AC in good enough condition to fly for hours further, executing turns and altitude changes along the way. It's just too convoluted.

 

John

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I keep waiting for a TV premise type story...we have hidden the plane and passengers in an old hangar and sealed it up, pay us two billion dollars or they will run out of air...... :D

 

My biggest problem is when an odd thing happens like this, I think the government is covering something up. :whis:  :P

 

 

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You can bet your bottom dollar that several governments are hiding something for various reasons; saving face, covering up incompetence, inattentiveness or negligence, avoiding responsibility, making a regional adversary look bad, masking military operational procedures and capabilities, and possibly, for one or more governments, hiding their guilt in providing aid for the operation.

 

John

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Looks like they may have found it off the south west of the coast of Australia.

 

If so, it probably ran out of fuel there, the point being at its maximum range in a straight line from its last known position.

 

See http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26659951

 

If this is true, it means one of two things:-

 

Pilot suicide or an attempt to turn back using autopilot followed by a catastrophe that rendered the aircraft's passengers insensible but the aircraft still able to fly on autopilot.

 

Lets hope they find the flight recorder soon. 

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my heart goes out to the families with every glimmer of hope to find their loved ones

 

but a crash is not even plausible at this point

they know the plain flown hours after cutting contact

 

in today's world, i don't see how its possible for not one of the passengers, pilots, engineers...

not to transmit a single distress signal; via internet, text, phone call... something

 

GOD forbid any of us should ever find themselves in a situation like this

id like to believe that in the event the pilot knows they are not going to make it

the remaining efforts should be on disclosing their whereabouts; a beacon or something so they can be traced

 

even if it means turning the systems back on for few minutes; against regulation and procedures

just to disclose their location or send an S.O.S or mayday

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Any communications by passengers or crew using mobile technology would require to be within range of a mobile ground station, something which appears to have been taken into account in the route taken by the pilot, as it is increasingly appearing as this is a deliberate act on his / their part.  Any on board communications, such as in seat mobile phones, as far as I know, can also be disabled.

 

Some time back, John Allard proposed a hypoxia theory.  If induced deliberately and slowly, it could, to a degree, unassumingly disable passengers and crew.  There are a number of examples of aircraft accidents where the unknowing slow onset of hypoxia has happened accidently, the 1999 South Dakota Learjet Crash which killed Payne Stewart, and a Beechcraft 'Super King Air' 200 accident in Australia in 2000 are two such examples.

 

The supposition of deliberate slow induced hypoxia, possibly during the climb to cruise stage, aimed at disabling passengers and crew prior to deviating from course, is possible.  It doesn't account for the transmission of "All right, good night." from the copilot unless he is implicated in the act.

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If this turns out to be a deliberate act by the crew then I think that the perpetrator is most likely to be the co-pilot as he was the last person to be in contact with the ground.  

Having said that, I wonder if the authorities have has his last words analysed for signs of stress.  I would expect there to be some if he was about to embark on a course of actions that would result in the demise of all on board the aircraft including himself. If there was none, then we could assume whatever kicked off happened after that call, and was not instigated by him.  

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I am sure they did John, they have all the latest gizmos and reactionary protocols in place for situations like this. It is a sad state of affairs but the pilots themselves always need to be looked at microscopically as I am sure they have been doing.

 

Big business will always be actively involved in these situations and it is a known fact that they will try to place blame anywhere but on themselves and they are in a position to do it too. Money talks and all others will be trampled in their wake.

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what amazes me is the level of confidence there's in the 777 as an aircraft

 

all the theories that were raised till now imply some sort of human interaction

not one plausible theory cane up about the 777 malfunctioning that can hold a candle to sabotage

 

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I understand they are now looking for the crew, namely, Hai Din Dere, Wea Yoo Gon, Aye Sin Hea, Nou Wee Gon and Yoo Fin Mee!! :whis:  :stars:

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what amazes me is the level of confidence there's in the 777 as an aircraft

 

That probably because its been around since 1995 and until now only three people have lost their lives in only four aircraft losses. A great record I think.

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I'm not one for conspiracy theory whatsoever... and I'm not saying that these conspiracy theories of the past various things don't hold water. I'm basically just saying I really don't know enough about anything to say what is right and what is wrong, and I guess that may be a good thing. I don't remember who said it or where I heard it, but true knowledge is knowing that you know nothing, and that's kind of what I try to live by. That being said, please don't confuse what I'm saying as a conspiracy theory I'm concocting or that I believe 100% in, but view it as more of a question. Perhaps I should spend more time looking at a map, but how many different areas was that plane planned to go through? And by areas I mean military controlled areas, that are, perhaps, not used to seeing civilian traffic? 

 

Would it be possible, (albeit even slimly) that the 777 could have crossed into a military controlled zone of another country, that was not in communication with the pilots of the aircraft, whose defense specialists then perceived this UFO as a threat, and then had it shot down? 

 

It would explain the sudden disappearance, lack of debris sightings, and communication from passengers and crew to any other facilities. It might also explain why most of the governments involved in the search seem to disagree on where to look, and why they keep changing their stories. 

 

Although, to my limited knowledge, a plane being shot down would illicit quite the fireworks show, especially at night, so you'd assume someone on the ground would have viewed something. 

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The original flight plan originated in Malaysian airspace and took the aircraft into Vietnam ATC space then into China. Not sure if the planned path actually entered Vietnamese national territory, but the airspace controlled by a country's ATC is established by international agreements and extends out over the water - all the airspace in the world is controlled by someone for ATC purposes. Vietnam was the next ATC facility that MH-370 should have been in communication with and they never established voice contact and Vietnam ATC radar never saw them because the transponder was off. I'm not certain if Vietnam military radar saw them or not, but probably would not have perceived them as a threat.

 

Cambodia and Laos lie to the west of Vietnam, which is narrow, but it's doubtful that a commercial aircraft on the flight plan track of MH-370 would have strayed that far west.

 

It appears that after the diversion, MH-370 crossed Malaysia, possibly at a reduced altitude, skirting the Thai border to the north and Indonesian territory (island of Sumatra) to the south before proceeding out into the Andaman Sea and the Indian Ocean to points unknown.

 

The turn that the aircraft made at approximately the point where ATC contact was lost was to a course that only crossed "friendly", i.e. Malaysian territory. Ten degrees further north or south would have busted Thai or Indonesian airspace.

 

John

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The original flight plan originated in Malaysian airspace and took the aircraft into Vietnam ATC space then into China. Not sure if the planned path actually entered Vietnamese national territory, but the airspace controlled by a country's ATC is established by international agreements and extends out over the water - all the airspace in the world is controlled by someone for ATC purposes. Vietnam was the next ATC facility that MH-370 should have been in communication with and they never established voice contact and Vietnam ATC radar never saw them because the transponder was off. I'm not certain if Vietnam military radar saw them or not, but probably would not have perceived them as a threat.

Cambodia and Laos lie to the west of Vietnam, which is narrow, but it's doubtful that a commercial aircraft on the flight plan track of MH-370 would have strayed that far west.

It appears that after the diversion, MH-370 crossed Malaysia, possibly at a reduced altitude, skirting the Thai border to the north and Indonesian territory (island of Sumatra) to the south before proceeding out into the Andaman Sea and the Indian Ocean to points unknown.

The turn that the aircraft made at approximately the point where ATC contact was lost was to a course that only crossed "friendly", i.e. Malaysian territory. Ten degrees further north or south would have busted Thai or Indonesian airspace.

 

Excellent information, John, thank you! So that debunks my only admittedly off the wall possibility. I just really hope they find out what happened, and soon. The longer they keep spotting the wreckage, then changing their minds, and spotting it again in a new place, the more I begin to suspect foul play. 

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Just thinking out loud here

If this turns out what we all fear the most; a planned mission

Than the whole world should be on its toes for something horrible

As it stands; these guys are well ahead of the game here

And if they are well ahead, we are behind with what’s about to happen

Im sure they covered all angels’ of tracing them back as well as what they have planned to execute down the road

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Roughly what I said further up Chris. I agree with you. If the aircraft has been landed somewhere to be refuled and packed with explosive, you can bet your life it will reappear somwhere in the world.

 

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i apologies Alan, i didn't mean to be repetitive

one of those things that just pops in your head

if they lay low for a year, than reappear into the daily airflow

there's no way they can be spotted as the missing aircraft in time

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I suspect that some of the wealthier and more technically adept governments know a great deal more than they are telling. It may also be that this was a simple hijack with negotiations over ransom demands for people and/or airplane already in progress, in which case continued silence over the real facts while visibly pursuing meaningless SAR activities as cover would be understandable.

 

If it's been taken and is intact somewhere then there is certainly at least one government complicit in that, possibly several.

 

John

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If you manage to get a look at the 'alleged' ATC transcript which is doing the rounds after be ing published in the Telegraph newspaper, its probably worth taking it with a dose of salt.

There are several things raising flags least of which is the fact its been translated from Chinese into English when it would have originally been spoken in English (unless ATC across the globe has chosen a new 'standard' language overnight). The lack of proper callsign (just the use of "MH") and phraseology like 'runway ready' screams of yet more snippets of dumbed down unconfirmed data being released through international media under hyped up headings of 'revealed' in order to keep up ratings.

Just wondering if there is anything else going on in the world at the present time ?

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